I would gather any interested to join me, explaining the goals and reasons why it is quite important. Our change to sustainable ways is really needed, with what we are drawing closer to with civilization involved, that cannot just continue on. You should know this is important, that you plan accordingly, for ways in which to go on.
Do not be led on in ignorance
None should be left in ignorance of the mess humanity has come to in this world. There will be collapse, I should not leave any thinking there is quite enough time. There just isn't. All change that will be any amount effective in any way really needs to happen immediately. That would involve getting out where everything might be growing for what is needed, having sustainability in this world to go on. The doomsday clock has reason to show eighty five seconds to midnight.
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PRESS RELEASE: It is 85 seconds to midnight
At the 2026 Doomsday Clock announcement, the Bulletin’s Science and Security Board moved the Doomsday Clock forward from 89 seconds to 85 seconds to midnight, citing a failure in global leadership.Sarah Starkey (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists)
Communication to have us continue
Communication is vitally important for what would help with plans for being in community independently. Climate change denial is leaving effects, and with the political climate nothing is being done to do anything effective against worsening conditions. Oligarchs in power are old enough to not care how things will go in a decade or two, but it is terrible they fool ones younger into not caring who will face the results in a decade or two. But independent communities growing what they need and making their own things can do much better.
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The effects of climate change denial - Royal European Academy of Doctors
In his latest articles, José María Baldasano reflects on the growing rejection of scientific theories about the climate crisis and its effectsJavier Rodríguez Sicilia (Royal European Academy of Doctors)
It will not work staying with any cities
We need to communicate for working together to get out from the unsustainable system that would continue until collapse, to live apart in the ways we can go on. Let's grow our own food ourselves apart from cities, and not take part in civilization, to be sustainable instead, for the ways to continue on, having that for those after us.
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"The Green Benefits of Growing Your Own Food: How Gardening Supports Sustainability and Your Well-Being"
The Benefits of Growing Your Own Food: A Greener, Healthier Future Imagine stepping into your backyard, plucking a ri…fredfood.org
The difference needed to continue
Animal agriculture is driving climate change, it is not just all the concrete, the fuel and automotive industrial complex, and released carbon compounds. These things will not be stopped, at least not enough, from civilization, with it taking more and more resources as environments are continually lost. We need alternative living situations apart from civilization being independent of it, for having our sustainable way in the world in the needed way to continue, it should not be with the concrete, the fuel and automotive industrial complex, and animal agriculture. It would be with simple ways growing what we need and making our own things.
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The World’s Leading Driver of Climate Change: Animal Agriculture — New Harvest
Andy Vrbicek suggests that the role of animal agriculture in climate change is vastly underestimated because of calculation parameters in this thought-provoking essay.New Harvest
There's the need to live the right way in this world to go on
With crises that civilization must face, it is not good to remain attached to anything from any cities. There must be sustainable communities independent and apart from civilization with having everything growing as needed for that, and the people working together to continue. Collapse is really so likely within decades.
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Expert Says Collapse of Human Civilization Looks Like the Most Likely Scenario
A new book that covers 5,000 years and the collapse of more than 400 societies argues that we're in for a rude awakening.Victor Tangermann (Futurism)
It is not just doing the same things that we can continue with
Too little has been done and nothing is about to start for responsible action to avoid crises from climate change and the associated issues, with which there would be disastrous collapse coming to cities one after another. It will not be desirable to be stuck in any of the cities then, as important things run out without transportation being adequate. What happens with climate change will be worse than most people think. But it was never sustainable with cities and we could be sustainable enough for how people can always continue, growing things apart from everything and being independent from needing involvement or anything from any cities.
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bbc.com/news/articles/c9w15ngg…
What is climate change? A really simple guide
Human activities are causing the world to heat up, posing serious threats to people and nature.Mark Poynting (BBC News)
Why stay with this instead of being apart with sustainability?
If any of us know what is happening why willingly stay being a part of the contribution to the coming problems, instead of going to join with any to live in the ways that if all did that would not be harmful to this world with crises coming from that? I call for this to be available for us. Greater hurricanes are certainly coming from climate change, which is one great issue from our ways in civilization, including use of motorized vehicles and the great use of agriculture especially of animals. We can learn the ways of simple living in the natural world without civilization to continue with depending on.
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How climate change makes hurricanes more destructive
As our climate warms, storms are becoming more destructive and costly. Why do hurricanes bring more rain in a warmer climate? Learn about it here.Environmental Defense Fund
What I seek
I seek what could be maintained with community if it is there, where any of us would all be involved in what makes it work. It would be with living entirely different from all society in cities, without dependence on them or any civilization.
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What is needed in view of these things
Now what would it take to show that remaining in any city of civilization will be a mistake? The world is being widely destroyed and this way of modern living is not right for us. We could be living in sustainable ways, being apart without those same demands, growing what we need for food or anything ourselves in our small community, which is what any others can come to. We should not want to play that same game with others having crises ahead.
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The planet is ‘on the brink of an irreversible climate disaster,’ scientists warn » Yale Climate Connections
The 2024 ‘State of the climate’ report says climate scientists are more worried than ever and calls for ‘transformative science-based solutions across all aspects of society.’Dana Nuccitelli (Yale Climate Connections)
Many threats to lead to the end
There's no single most critical issue, as biodiversity loss, habitat loss, and climate change are deeply interconnected crises that worsen each other, forming a vicious cycle; habitat destruction often drives immediate species loss, while climate change acts as a powerful, escalating threat, potentially causing widespread extinctions, especially as its impacts amplify other stressors. Climate change makes ecosystems less resilient, while biodiversity loss reduces nature's ability to buffer climate impacts, creating a feedback loop. These problems will grow to be overwhelming and like previous civilization this we have would not continue.
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Causes and Effects of Climate Change | United Nations
Fossil fuels – coal, oil and gas – are by far the largest contributor to global climate change, accounting for over 75 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions and nearly 90 per cent of all carbon dioxide emissions.United Nations
More issues for it to.worsen
The more one looks into anything about it the more one will find of what contribution there is to worsening in the world, each of those things alone would make collapse likely from it, it is so certain collapse is being made closer to this time with everything leading toward that without really being stopped. But stopping any of it cannot be expected from civilization still counting on its growth. Melting glaciers and sea ice is prime evidence of where things are going.
worldwildlife.org/resources/ex…
worldwildlife.org/resources/ex…
Worsening of our world is from civilization
Loss of habitats and extinctions of many species which continue are connected to what is happening with civilization using resources to meet demands. Agriculture and most especially animal agriculture is really a huge part of that. We should not just take part. Civilization is not going to make it to just continue on, and we could be already living in sustainable ways without being a part of the great demands ruining this world.
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Almost 90% of the world’s animal species will lose some habitat to agriculture by 2050
Williams, D and Clark, M. 2020www.leap.ox.ac.uk
Loss of biodiversity we should stop contributing to
Our world's biodiversity is being lost, it happens in the different ways, with activities coming from civilization. We do not have to be a part of that happening, but we are, unless we are separate from civilization and living in a sustainable way that is not harming environments.
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We could be growing all our food that would be all we need, with much less demands and not as much taken from environments, while we would be healthier that way. I am interested in a way of natural farming, with seed-balls. Doing that can be sustainable for anyone continuing in this world.
This New Year may be the occasion to start in this direction, it is important to do without waiting.
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We could be growing all our food that would be all we need, with much less demands and not as much taken from environments, while we would be healthier that way. I am interested in a way of natural farming, with seed-balls. Doing that can be sustainable for anyone continuing in this world.
This New Year may be the occasion to start in this direction, it is important to do without waiting.
Issues get more serious with which civilization won't go on
Loss of biodiversity now is abnormally high, and this is critical to stability in this world, which will make it so hard to go on, civilization will certainly not make it, growing what we need for ourselves will help us fare much better, without worsening of environments from that.
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To go on in this world it should not be like this
Any saying they can't see how to live in the way to continue on in the world would not belong in this world. If you do belong in this world there are ways to go on continuing with that. Being in civilization with it continuing is not such way. People going on without civilization is really possible and needed. And despite many hoping civilization should be built still after collapse, that would always be bad in this world, we can go on much better without any civilization.
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quora.com/How-long-can-humanit…
Talk about this
How can there not be response in communication for what any of us can and might do for having a place for us to continue on with no matter what happens with any coming crisis, which would come to civilization, with our sustainable ways to continue on? This would actually be very positive action. Do you know of others doing anything for this? The cost there is of inaction is quite real. There should be enough motivation to have a place separate from cities, with seeing what is really actually happening in this world.
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insideclimatenews.org/news/300…
The Economic Consequences of Ignoring Climate Change - Inside Climate News
Despite mounting evidence of global warming’s costs, the Trump administration has made multiple moves to avoid tracking climate-related economics.Kiley Price (Inside Climate News)
It is worse than it has been thought to be
I keep seeing things that suggest more urgently change is needed, or being too late sooner than what was seen up to this. Are you seeing that? What is thought, with that? I hope these things are not being dismissed. We can come to needed change ourselves. It should not be left to others. They will disappoint you. We each have what we can do about it. Communication can help for that. Not as much carbon can be absorbed to store, it is now realized.
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newscientist.com/article/24948…
We may have 10 times less carbon storage capacity than we thought
Storing carbon dioxide underground is seen as a way to mitigate climate change, but the world could run out of safe storage space within 200 years if we keep on burning fossil fuelsMadeleine Cuff (New Scientist)
Why remain when disasters would come?
Even when the change in global climate is definitely irreversible and things are worsening, would you really want to be staying still in civilization stuck in a city? With it becoming irreversible it will mean disasters in many places, among all the inhabited cities. There should be enough motivation to have a place separate from cities.
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Three years left to limit warming to 1.5C, top scientists warn
The Earth could be doomed to breach a key climate target in as little as three years, scientists warn.Mark Poynting (BBC News)
What issues now will mean
With looking we would see the issues in the world to it and to the environments with resources being acquired from it and being used are why there is instability in civilization that will lead to collapse. And, nothing sufficient is being done about any of it, for a long time, and that will not change soon. What would be sufficient? With drastic change needed, there is nothing, with continuing the demands in civilization. This is reason to leave cities and have very small communities making things and growing what is needed, for not needing transportation still and be ing independent enough not to still need things from cities or any civilization. Growing enough for all that is required is important in that.
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Collapse and transformation of early civilizations | Origins of Civilization Class Notes | Fiveable
Review 12.4 Collapse and transformation of early civilizations for your test on Unit 12 – Early Civilizations: Rise and Fall. For students taking Origins of CivilizationFiveable
We should live to continue, not seek for any of us to have more now
So the desire to stay with all the things of civilization is strong. Even with knowing it can't go on, and there are the ways that we could, without it being limited from coming generations. It would have to be separate from civilization but with preparation we can have comfortable ways with that. Climate change fuels extreme weather and there is great loss of environments and extinction of species, with the civilization, and we should not be involved with that still.
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earthjustice.org/feature/how-c…
How Climate Change Is Fueling Extreme Weather
Carbon pollution is contributing to climate disasters that will only get worse unless we take action.Shirley Hao (Earthjustice)
Separate to not do as civilization is doing
There will be places for us better than where many people go to, visit, or camp at, while still meaning to go back to continue in cities, for us to get away to live apart from civilization, to continue independently, and doing that without harm to environments which happens with taking much. Growing what can be grown will be important.
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britannica.com/science/biodive…
Biodiversity loss | Causes, Effects, & Facts | Britannica
Biodiversity loss, the reduction in an area’s biodiversity (the number of genes, species, individual organisms, or ecosystems) expressed by species loss, population declines and reductions in the genetic diversity within a species, and the collapse o…John P. Rafferty (Encyclopedia Britannica)
It will come, just how it will is not known for sure
There are ways collapse would come, rather than just one way, but the one way most likely is still with the involvement of us with civilization, that contributes to the problems in this world leading to it. People can continue on much better without maintained dependence on civilization. The needed change is with ourselves moving to what we should have to really continue on and have any things getting better. It would be apart from civilization.
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There is the worsening of the world we should not take part in
Everything in the world is affected with civilization continuing, but this civilization can't just go on still. We should not stay with it. Change in sizes of animals happens based on whether they are domesticated for being used, breeding them for slaughter more and more, or the vastly diminishing wildlife from the expansion of human civilization with its animal agriculture.
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We've driven animals in two shocking directions over just 1,000 years
In the largest study of its kind, scientists have documented the seismic shift in animal size over the last 1,000 years, with domesticated species becoming larger as wildlife gets smaller. It underlines the impact of one species in particular – us.Bronwyn Thompson (New Atlas)
It can't be less than such great change for us to go on
I think any of the issues that I come to in my communication might be compelling enough that some would see there is such need for drastic change. Together they seem overwhelming to me. That civilization, which we are with, can not continue without serious crises that ultimately have it come to its collapse. Sustainability is what must be in the drastic change called for. We need the separation for that.
actonclimate.com/trumptracker/
actonclimate.com/trumptracker/
On not getting out from cities
Any who are staying with civilization as a part of it can be watching this world worsen while nothing is changing that, and yet be surprised when disasters come right around home and in greater amount.
NASA Sea Level Change Portal: Ice Melt
Visit NASA's portal for an in-depth look at the science behind sea level change.NASA Sea Level Change Portal
See there is concern to have
There are plenty of such who do not see there is collapse ahead likely soon. So population will peak and then decline worldwide from that happening, even sooner. If it reaches over ten billion people worldwide it will be more crowded with much demand from the land. We better not have the same demands that most have now, or collapse would come almost immediately, it will be way too many in the world to support that. Growing our own things living simply will be very, extremely, important, with or without civilization. We would do well with this being away from where collapse is so likely to be near.
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Growing or shrinking? What the latest trends tell us about the world’s population
The global population reached nearly 8.2 billion by mid-2024 and is expected to grow by another two billion over the next 60 years, peaking at around 10.3 billion in the mid-2080s.UN News
Other ways still needed for truly being sustainable
Can we say something is sustainable if it cannot be many doing it? No, what is sustainable will work with everyone doing it. Living in cities is certainly not that. Wildlife is already drastically reduced, with environments being taken, and agriculture, mainly for the industries with animals being used, are the explanation. The real sustainable way, that all could do to continue on in this world, is with being independent from anything of the cities with growing all that can be grown where they are. Really all could be doing that, while some have to join with others for that. But such are the sustainable communities.
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7 Devastating Ways Humans Are Destroying Marine Life (And How We Can Turn the Tide) - Marine Biodiversity Science Center
The relentless impact of human activities on marine ecosystems represents one of the most pressing environmental challenges of our time.jessica (Marine Biodiversity Science Center)
We may do better than staying with this
Crises that are so great are becoming far too hard to avoid. They will impact civilization, but there can be sustainable communities that are not much impacted, with being independent growing enough for subsistence. Any of us can do better being in such.
earthyb.com/blog/environmental…
earthyb.com/blog/environmental…
The biggest environmental issues we face today
A list of the biggest environmental issues facing people and our planet. Many problems stem from the industrial revolution.Rebecca B. Kimber (EarthyB.com)
Do not go on not doing any change
If you care to continue in this world with families lasting it cannot be realistically with civilization. Sustainable ways independent from civilization are needed for that. So join together for using some land away from cities, and from farmers and ranchers, where everything can be managed independently with the small community you can be, with the things needed growing there, with good land and water there for it and the right amount of sun. This would not involve moving further up to be nearer arctic places. Disasters to our society in this world will so likely come soon.
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The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?
An evolutionary biologist and a science fiction writer walk into a bar... and mull over survival.The MIT Press Reader
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It should be seen we should now be living radically different
You should know there surely is climate change happening, the things we have from our civilization like all the transport of ourselves and everything for us and all the agriculture with so much for the animals for feeding us are causing it to happen. We in fact need to live in very different ways to not be giving our contribution to that or the others destructive things happening in the world, it would be with simple ways not using things from civilization still and growing what we want and need to use, ourselves, along with any involved in that with us. Ice melting in the Arctic is showing this happening and how critical it is.
nsidc.org/sea-ice-today
nsidc.org/sea-ice-today
Reasons for my choices
It may be wondered why I talk about growing things for what is needed and not said anything about raising animals to use. If with joining me where I go you want to bring some to do that I would not stop you. But there is a much more healthy way to live without use of things from animals, with studies fully backing that up, that I can discuss if it's called for. But use of animals is not as sustainable as growing the things we can, which can be enough for us and those with us. In civilization ending animal agriculture would give more time to change enough to avoid climate catastrophe. We being apart and independent do not have to contribute to any worsening in this world even to environments around us with use of animals with us, we can do better without that.
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New model explores link between animal agriculture and climate change
Phasing out animal agriculture represents “our best and most immediate chance to reverse the trajectory of climate change,” according to a new model developed by scientists from Stanford and the University of California, Berkeley.news.stanford.edu
Come to the alternative better than ill-fated civilization
Some know there are ways to live independently using knowledge for primitive living. So many are left who can only trust civilization will work everything out to continue. But that is a very great stretch. Radical cooperation is needed for avoiding catastrophes coming soon, they now say. Yet it really means that cities of civilization are not going to make it. It is getting so late to avoid catastrophe from what is happening.There is no sign of such change even near to what would be needed, and so much has been going the wrong direction, even now, after many years when there has been information for making a whole lot of needed changes. What people can do to continue is with managing what can be done with others joining along on land far from cities where they have things prepared to live sustainably with subsistence there for being independent of civilization, whatever happens to it all. weforum.org/stories/2019/05/bi…
Simplicity away from this is worth considering
There will not be political or social solutions, there will be continued worsening while no one can change enough to stop the contributions. In addition to the climate change being critical now, there is loss of environments and the species that are going extinct, including key species, and such loss of insects. Why are we to stay where we are a part of the destructive system? To gain more materially at the expense of other things in the world? Humans do not have to live this way to be comfortable. There are ways for humans to live comfortably without civilization, being in small communities working together independently from others in the world, growing all the things they can and making little difference to the environments.
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The Trump Administration’s Environmental Impacts So Far, and How We’re Fighting Back - League of Conservation Voters
President Trump, Elon Musk, and their cronies want to prevent the government from working for our communities – but we have ways to fight back.League of Conservation Voters
This way with civilization is not with success to last
Too few say yet that they would make any change from what they have in cities. Yet it is from living in the cities that there are demands on the world beyond what the world can still continue providing for. You've heard it, that it would take another world just like earth for that, with us just on this one, clearly not more on the other world already making demands on it. So species are going extinct and environments are being destroyed, this shouldn't continue. Insects dying off will really matter a lot and be the greatest effect of all the species extinction. Crises from these things coming will take care of civilization not continuing if another possible disaster does not take care of it instead. People away from civilization and independent from it should continue. This would involve knowledge of primitive ways to effectively continue with when that will be what is left available.
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earth.org/insects-matter-so-wh…
We cannot rightly wait trusting civilization fixes it all
Is it too late to keep global warmingbelow 1.5 °C?The challenge in 7 charts
Chances are rapidly disappearing to limit Earth’s temperature rise to the globally agreed mark, but researchers say there are some positive signs of progress.www.nature.com
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Another way needed instead
We can live much more sustainably being apart from civilization, which cannot change enough, with use of resources it still will, to be sustainable in this world.
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drawdown.org/insights/how-food…
How food and farming will determine the fate of planet Earth
Agriculture has disrupted the planet more than anything we have ever done, including burning fossil fuels. A sustainable future depends on recognizing this fact – and radically changing how we farm and eat.Project Drawdown
Consider we need the way we can continue
Civilization is not for us to stay with. It is all coming down with a collapse, soon if it is not just later on this century. It will still happen. Why not already be living in the way people can always go on living in the world, though the numbers will necessarily come down? Getting to that way apart from civilization without depending on it still can give time for any of us doing this to have everything there more comfortable, and be doing well enough far away enough when collapse really does come. We should get going, remember collapse could be soon.
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MIT Predicted in 1972 That Society Will Collapse This Century. New Research Shows We’re on Schedule
A 1972 MIT study predicted that rapid economic growth would lead to societal collapse in the mid 21st century. A new paper shows we’re unfortunately right on schedule.ENVIRO_administrator (Environment Institute)
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About Our Contribution
Extinction of species is happening now, and, it is increasing. This is critical to civilization as the world would not longer sustain it with the collapse happening. There is contribution from food choices along with a number of other things in civilization that civilization would continue with which are not sustainable. Sustainable communities could continue but with simplicity apart from anything of civilization.
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biologicaldiversity.org/progra…
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