@mls14 @nilsskirnir
Nils makes a valid point.

The DNC has acted against these two on multiple occasions.

The DNC doesn't passively hate them.
They proactively undermine them.

Because the DNC is owned by the same people who own the GOP. Billionaires.

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If you want to beat Trump, you need a compelling alternative.

You can't ask people to vote Dem just because they're not trump. How did that work out in 2024?

@nilsskirnir The “DNC” doesn’t hate members of its own party.

The enemy is Trump. Why don’t we all focus on that instead of worrying about who likes or dislikes whom among the resistance?

Oh that's sad lol. I had no idea how pathetically small protests were in the US. That's laughable for a city of apparently over 700.000 inhabitants.

Americans post about "fascism is here! we need to resist!" all day long and then they really think they're done resisting with that social media post, huh.

For comparison, last year the anti-right wing protests just in Düsseldorf, a city of ~600.000, were over 100.000 people. And the alt-right party isn't even in power here.

@nilsskirnir They do. mastodon.ar.al/@aral/114204928…

Aral Balkan

2025-03-22 07:35:06

Here’s a fact: the corporate/neoliberal Democrats are more afraid of AOC and Bernie than they are of Trump. Fascism may not be their first choice but it’s preferable to what those two promise for them. They already sabotaged Bernie once – just like Starmer and co. sabotaged Corbyn in the UK – and they’ll continue to do anything and everything to try and scupper their progress. Even if it means more fascism. The ones doing this are as responsible for fascism as Trump is and they’re not your friends. mastodon.social/@Bellison22/11…

it is a promising start but the only way #usa is going to change the course of the country, is by putting 10 milion protesters on the ground in DC.

Good luck!

i'm used to major political events' attendance in #ukraine which is usually way different: not every gathering is a maidan of course, but it's a much smaller nation too. so i needed to backdrop this «largest political gathering in denver since…» with some usa-related context; after all, it's the geopolitical leader of the world sliding into authoritarianism, serious historical event.

so i compared this to 2024 #nfl attendance:
espn.com/nfl/attendance

oh, look, there's even #denver here. oh…

bottom line: the nearest future of the world looks grim.

@efialto @nilsskirnir @rzeta0 There seems to be a disconnect here, and I think I am figuring it out.

The Americans on this thread can at least agree that we need to come together in this moment, and leave inter-party squabbles in the past.

Those outside the US seem to think differently. I assume you all have good intentions, but it occurs to me that our different systems of government are causing you some confusion.

In the parliamentary system, if you have a far-left party, you can vote for them. They might win a few seats, and those representatives will form a coalition government with the more moderate left party. More far-left seats means those ideas get a bigger voice in the coalition.

In the US, that’s not an option. There are two options. Period. So turning Democrats against each other is harmful to the country, as it empowers the Republicans, who have turned into the party of Nazis.

@nilsskirnir @mls14 @rzeta0
Read in my newspaper this week:

When Obama won his first term, the Republicans were in the same kind of inner turmoil as the Democrats are now. "What did we do wrong" turning into "who's to blame" and then the Tea Party emerged.

I like Bernie and AOC, I see them as *normal*, good social-democrats, the kind we have here in Europe. Whereas in the US, "liberal" is a swear word and red scare is never far away.

#eattherich

@mls14 @efialto @nilsskirnir
You are confidently wrong.

Voting for the democrats as they are will not improve the situation overall.

There is no incentive for them to change.

So different action needs to be taken.

It could be mass denial of vote and support for new political movements - which won't produce a new gov soon, but neither will voting Dem.

Or it could be tough action on the Dems to clean them out.

There is no option that avoids a trump government in the short term.

@nilsskirnir @rzeta0 I’m being a LOT more serious than people trying to foment division between AOC and the rest of the party when it’s clear this is a moment to come together.

The story linked had nothing to do with some past grievance that some older people seem to still have with the DNC. It is not “finally Bernie will take over and show those mean old Dems!”

It is a feel-good story of people joining together to fight Trump. And yet I see all the pointless division added in by these comments. To me that feels like a crappy thing to do in this moment.

Read my initial comment. All it asked for was for people to pull together, and I got so much negativity for it!

@rzeta0 @davbram @nilsskirnir Ok, so instead of admitting that the UK also has issues, the reply-guy blocks me.

It’s so easy to trash others instead of working together to solve problems. All this anger came because I dared to say we should work together. Think about who you are helping if you oppose putting our differences aside to oppose Nazis.

I love AOC and Bernie. I want this to be a chance to come together. But it’s not helpful for people to refuse to vote if they don’t get the candidate they want from their party.

We need to play the long game. Keep Democrats in power, and push them to the left during primary season. You cannot do anything if MAGA holds majorities in all 3 branches of government.

@mls14 @davbram @nilsskirnir
Again, confidently wrong.

Many of us outside the USA ave been following US politics for decades.

Why?

Because it is the wider world that suffers from what the USA does.

Some of us have noticed your attempt to diminish the democrat's facilitating a genocide...

@rzeta0 @davbram @nilsskirnir A reply-guy from the nation of Brexit and 14 straight years of Tories is telling Americans that they are “confidently wrong” about their own country, which they’ve lived in their whole lives.

You’ve got more than enough to worry about at home; stop fomenting discord and helping the Nazis in America. Because that’s the result of this kind of commentary.

@mls14@vivaldi.net @davbram @nilsskirnir @Bellison22

Many people like me could never vote for anyone who covers for genocide.

That is step 1 for the democrats.

Disown Israel, impose sanctions, drag Netanyahu to the ICC, and physically disarm that genocidal apartheid war criminal state. Enforce UN resolutions.

Or do the democrats stands for double standards in international and domestic law?

@davbram @nilsskirnir @rzeta0 Yes, you are part of the solution. We might not have all gotten the candidate we wanted from our party. But we know, for the good of the country, we come together to oppose Nazis.

I disagree with you strongly on multiple aspects of your opinion of Harris, but we can work together because we both know it’s about never ever letting the GOP get a majority again.

the DNC 100% prefers an oligarch to almost progressives like Bernie.

CC: @nilsskirnir@kolektiva.social @Bellison22@mastodon.social

@nilsskirnir @rzeta0 Ok good, we can agree that we need to fight Trump.

Still, I don’t think such language towards a good woman is called for.