I just found a wonderful article about full recordings of operas! This should help me in my search for decent materials to listen to. But these are only commercial recordings, so I will need to look elsewhere for radio ones as well as recordings that were preserved by listeners. At any rate, I was surprised by how many singers' names I recognised, all from the 1940's and earlier, of course. But there were still a good number that I didn't know and must, therefore, research. I was also surprised that Enrico Caruso appears not to have made any full-length recordings, or even large sections of a single opera. Also, Dino Borgioli wasn't mentioned, and I know he made at least two sets, that, while weren't complete, were extensive.
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The following is long but quite interesting.
Today, I asked about something that has intrigued me for awhile.
Me. "The opera singers I like are usually those who made the transition from acoustic to electric. I stop at the 1950's, when voice sound and quality began to change. But what I would like to understand is the transformation of the sound of opera brought about by Enrico Caruso. Aside from his vocal range, which was truly extraordinary, how did he change people's and singers' expectations of what an opera voice should sound like? How did his predecessor sound?"
Perplexity. "Enrico Caruso profoundly transformed the sound and expectations of opera singing in the early 20th century, largely due to his unique vocal qualities, interpretive style, and his embrace of recording technology.
Caruso's Influence on Opera Singing
1. Vocal Technique and Resonance:
• Caruso possessed extraordinary physiological attributes, including a resonant body that acted as a natural amplifier, allowing for a rich and powerful sound. He sang with correct physiological voice production, achieving a balance between technical precision and emotional expression
• His approach to recitative blurred the line between speech and melody, creating what critics described as "melodious talking," which brought a new clarity and emotional depth to operatic storytelling.
2. Modernisation of Vocal Style:
• Caruso represented a shift from the "old school" Italian vocal style, characterised by lighter and more ornamental singing, to a "modern" style that emphasised dramatic power and emotional immediacy. This is evident in comparisons with predecessors like Fernando De Lucia and Alessandro Bonci.
3. Repertoire Choices:
• He championed verismo operas (realistic operas) by composers like Puccini and Leoncavallo, which demanded more dramatic vocal expression. His performances in roles such as Canio in Pagliacci set new benchmarks for emotional intensity in opera.
4. Impact of Recordings:
• Caruso was one of the first opera singers to embrace recording technology, making over 250 records between 1902 and 1920. His recordings introduced opera to a global audience, standardising expectations for vocal quality and interpretation. His recording of "Vesti la giubba" became the first million-selling record
Comparison with Predecessors
Caruso's predecessors in the late 19th century adhered to the bel canto tradition, which prioritised vocal agility, purity of tone, and intricate ornamentation. Singers like Fernando De Lucia exemplified this style with lighter voices and a focus on elegance over dramatic power
In contrast, Caruso's voice was darker, richer, and more robust, aligning with the demands of verismo operas. His ability to combine technical mastery with raw emotional expression marked a departure from the more restrained performances of earlier tenors..
Me. It seems that I prefer the bel canto style, or at the very least, lighter voices. For instance, I find Beniamino Gigli to be overly dramatic. Richard Tauber, while he had a very powerful voice, was also controlled. I love Tito Schipa's voice and lightness, and the sweetness of John McCormac, and especially Leopold Simonau, even though he was a much later singer."
Perplexity. "Your preference for lighter voices and the bel canto style aligns with the hallmarks of this tradition, which emphasises beauty, agility, and emotional subtlety. Singers like Tito Schipa, John McCormack, and Leopold Simoneau embody many of these qualities, offering a contrast to the more dramatic styles of Beniamino Gigli or even Richard Tauber.
Characteristics of Bel Canto Singing
1. Vocal Agility:
• Bel canto singers are renowned for their ability to execute rapid and intricate passages with precision, clarity, and ease. This agility allows for fluid ornamentation, such as trills, runs, and cadenzas, which are essential in this style.
2. Lightness and Control:
• The bel canto approach favours a light tone in the higher registers and impeccable legato throughout the range. This creates a seamless flow of sound that prioritises beauty over sheer power.
3. Expressive Nuance:
• Emotional expression is achieved through subtle dynamics, phrasing, and rubato (flexible tempo). Singers focus on conveying the text's meaning with delicacy rather than dramatic force.
4. Orchestral Balance:
• The orchestration in bel canto operas is intentionally light to allow the voice to shine. Composers like Rossini, Bellini, and Donizetti wrote music that served as a vehicle for vocal virtuosity rather than overpowering it."
We then spoke briefly about singing during the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries.
Me. "Was there anyone recorded (or is there anyone today who sang as they did then? You mentioned Fernando De Lucia and Alessandro Bonci. Would they have followed this older style, or was there's different as well?"
Perplexity. "Fernando De Lucia and Alessandro Bonci, while closer to the older bel canto tradition than many of their contemporaries, did not fully replicate the singing styles of Mozart's time or the early 19th century. Both singers were active during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a period when operatic singing was already transitioning toward more dramatic and less ornamented styles, influenced by verismo and the demands of larger opera houses.
Fernando De Lucia
• De Lucia (1860–1925) is often cited as one of the last tenors with ties to the bel canto tradition. He had a light, flexible voice and excelled in roles requiring agility and ornamentation. However, his recordings reveal a mix of bel canto elegance and some stylistic concessions to verismo, such as heightened emotional expression and dramatic phrasing. His interpretations are considered an important link to earlier styles but are not identical to what might have been heard in Mozart's or Rossini's time.
Alessandro Bonci
• Bonci (1870–1940) was another tenor associated with bel canto ideals. His voice was lighter than that of contemporaries like Caruso, and he adhered more closely to the refined, ornamented singing style typical of earlier periods. Bonci's recordings demonstrate a commitment to legato and agility, making him a closer approximation of older traditions than most singers of his era.
Revival and Modern Efforts
Today, there are efforts to revive older singing styles through historically informed performance practices:
1. Teatro Nuovo: This company specialises in bel canto opera using period instruments and historically informed techniques. Their singers are trained in long expressive lines, challenging coloratura, and improvisatory ornamentation, reflecting earlier traditions.
2. Specialised Singers: Modern artists like Lawrence Brownlee, Vivica Genaux, and John Osborn are celebrated for their ability to perform bel canto roles with agility and stylistic authenticity.
3. Baroque Specialists: While focused on earlier periods, singers in Baroque opera revivals also employ techniques such as improvisation and ornamentation that overlap with early bel canto practices."
Me. "Is Teatro Nuovo part of the historically informed movement? If not, who is? I am more familiar with it in classical music."
Perplexity. "Yes, Teatro Nuovo is part of the historically informed performance (HIP) movement. The company explicitly focuses on reviving bel canto operas with attention to period-specific vocal techniques, ornamentation, and the use of period instruments. Their approach involves studying historical treatises and performance practices to recreate the style of 19th-century Italian opera as authentically as possible. For instance, they employ a "primo violino et direttore" (first violinist and director) instead of a modern conductor, reflecting historical practices of ensemble leadership.
The "true purists" of bel canto singing—those who aim to replicate the exact techniques, styles, and interpretative practices of the 18th and early 19th centuries—are rare but do exist. These individuals or groups focus on historically informed performance (HIP) practices, often basing their work on early recordings, treatises, and other historical documentation.
Historical Recordings of Bel Canto Singers
Early sound recordings provide a window into the bel canto tradition as it was practiced in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. While not directly from Mozart’s or Rossini’s time, these recordings capture singers who were trained in methods closer to those older traditions:
• Adelina Patti (1843–1919): Patti was considered one of the last great sopranos of the true bel canto era. Her recordings, such as "Voi che sapete" from The Marriage of Figaro (1905), showcase her light, agile voice and ornamentation skills.
• Fernando De Lucia (1860–1925): Known for his ties to bel canto, De Lucia’s recordings reveal a mix of older ornamentation practices and an emerging verismo influence.
• Mattia Battistini (1856–1928): A baritone often referred to as "the last bel canto singer," Battistini’s recordings highlight his use of portamento, elegant phrasing, and dynamic control.
These singers represent a transitional period where elements of true bel canto were preserved but gradually gave way to more dramatic styles.
Modern Purists and Revivalists
1. Robert Toft: A leading figure in historically informed vocal performance, Toft has written extensively on bel canto practices and teaches singers to apply historical techniques such as improvised ornamentation and expressive declamation.
2. Teatro Nuovo: This company revives bel canto operas using period instruments and techniques. Their singers are trained in historical methods, including improvisation and flexible phrasing.
3. Sydney Conservatorium of Music: Researchers like Neal Peres Da Costa and Helen Mitchell are part of projects that emulate early recordings and experiment with historical vocal techniques to rediscover bel canto soundsMethodology of True Purists."
Me. I wonder if listening to bel canto basses and baritones would help me appreciate them more. I usually prefer tenors, not just because of their vocal range but because they tend to be lighter. I don't like loud, dramatic, heavy voices, even though I know some are definitely required. Likewise with suppranos. Many simply give me a headache with extremely high notes, and even in English, I sometimes have difficulty understanding them. That may not be true for bel canto singers."
Perplexity. "If you generally prefer lighter voices and find dramatic, heavy voices less appealing, exploring bel canto basses and baritones could indeed offer a new perspective. Bel canto basses and baritones often display a lighter, more agile vocal quality compared to the heavier, dramatic styles associated with later Romantic or verismo opera. Their focus on legato phrasing, ornamentation, and text clarity aligns with the principles of bel canto singing.
Characteristics of Bel Canto Basses and Baritones
1. Agility: Unlike the stentorian basses of later opera (e.g., Wagnerian roles), bel canto basses and baritones are required to execute intricate coloratura passages with precision.
2. Lightness of Tone: The emphasis is on beauty of sound rather than sheer power, allowing for a more lyrical and nuanced performance.
3. Expressive Nuance: Bel canto singers use tools like messa di voce (gradual swelling and diminishing of tone) and portamento (sliding between notes) to enhance emotional expression.
4. Text Clarity: Clear diction and rhetorical phrasing are essential, which might address your difficulty in understanding some sopranos.
Key Roles for Basses and Baritones in Bel Canto
• Basses: Roles such as Don Basilio (Il barbiere di Siviglia by Rossini) or Dr. Dulcamara (L'elisir d'amore by Donizetti) often require a combination of vocal agility and comedic timing.
• Baritones: Roles like Figaro (Il barbiere di Siviglia) or Belcore (L'elisir d'amore) showcase the lyrical and florid aspects of the baritone voice.
Singers to Explore
1. Past Singers:
• Luigi Lablache: A renowned 19th-century basso cantante who excelled in Rossini roles.
• Mattia Battistini: Known as the "King of Baritones," his recordings reflect bel canto elegance.
2. Modern Revivalists:
• Alessandro Corbelli: A master of comedic bel canto roles with a light, agile bass-baritone voice.
• Ildebrando D’Arcangelo: Noted for his performances as Don Giovanni and Leporello, blending lyricism with agility.
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I have a little gift for all of you. I just found it today. For those of you who are seasoned veterans, I'm sure you already know about it. But for those of us who are new to opera, and who won't accept anything but the best, there is a full recording of Don Pasquale from 1932! Not only does it naturally have wonderful singing, due to the time in which it was recorded, but Tito Schipa himself is in it! For my blind peers, do not turn it off after the first song if you inten to hear it all. After each song, there is a little pause, since these were originally 78s, not lps. For my fellow operetta lovers, this, while a true opera, is, nonetheless, very light, so it should appeal to you.
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If, like me, you don't know Italian, here is the libretto in English. I'm sure there are others, but this is from a year before Schipa's birth, so it's not full of modernised language and other nonsense. I don't know if that is done often with operas (it is with operettas, to my extreme annoyance), but it's better to be safe than sorry. My strategy has been to read one or two scenes, then listen to some of it, then read more.
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Yesterday, I had a long conversation with Perplexity, as usual. We were discussing vocal ranges, opera, and operetta. Anyway, I found a video that was perfect for me to test my range. Keep in mind that I am not accustomed to these notes as numbers, as this became popular after my time of study. But to make things easier, I will use them to explain my results.
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Apparently, My comfortable range is F3 to C5, with an extended range of D3 to F5, with the last two top notes feeling thin. I can also hit C3, but only quietly.
I then asked to hear various contraltos. I found a few, but almost all sang high, despite obviously being able to sing lower. So I then asked about songs sung by Tito Schipa, since our ranges overlap. I know he couldn't go as high as I (sources say he couldn't hit a high C), but I have never heard him hit a low note that I can't. Perplexity recommended the following.
- "A te, o cara" from Bellini's "I Puritani"
- Arias from Donizetti's "L'elisir d'amore", particularly Nemorino's parts.
- Selections from Massenet's "Werther".
- Arias from Donizetti's "Don Pasquale", especially Ernesto's recitatives.
Then, I began to wonder if there are any songs within operetta that would match me well. I received these in reply.
- "Vilja-Lied" from Franz Lehár's "The Merry Widow"
- "Softly, as in a Morning Sunrise" from Sigmund Romberg's "The New Moon" (I need to find a tenor version, aas it was originally written for a baritone.)
- "Ah! Sweet Mystery of Life" from Victor Herbert's "Naughty Marietta"
- "I'm Falling in Love with Someone" also from "Naughty Marietta"
- "Serenade" from Romberg's "The Student Prince"
- "Wanting You" from Romberg's "The New Moon"
- "Love, Come Back to Me" also from "The New Moon"
Since three of these are from the same work, and since I actually have The New Moon, both as a full modern (sadly) recording and some original songs, I am going to watch that some time soon. It will be good to take a break from opera and go back to operetta. I just have to be careful because finding such music, or I should say, full English productions with dialogue, is incredibly difficult!
At any rate, I then asked which of these songs would be good for a beginner, and Perplexity chose "Ah! Sweet Mystery of Life", "I'm Falling in Love with Someone", "Vilja-Lied", and "Serenade".
Even though I have perfect pitch and photographic musical memory (once I know a song), it will take a long time before I can sing any of these truly correctly. But what do you think about the suggestions in general? Remember, I am not studying to actually perform on stage. This is simply for the love of singing. Personally, after hearing them, I think, other than the operettas, a good starting point might be Schipa's Neapolitan songs. They seem much easier.
But realistically, before I do any of that at all, I need to work on my exercises from Madam Clara! To that end, I have asked my friend to record the first group, on pages 140 to 145. Once I learn these, I will continue to the next set and so on.
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For those who are wondering why I don't learn from Schipa himself (he taught singing and there are exercises from him online), he has an entirely different approach. The exercises (particularly the Preliminaries and Breath-Lock Physicals) in You Can Sing are good for my health and work very well for me.
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Mini Review
I will not be analysing the singers as I usually do, but I will give my general opinion.
While I primarily love tenors, there is a certain voice type that I adore, and it is extremely rare. It's the lyric/light tenor, and yes, I put them together deliberately, because, according to my research, these voices could do both. They are not dramatic, but are light and sweet, and if used correctly, their owners have a mastery of phrasing and clarity, rather than sheer volume and/or weight. So far I had only found one serious opera singer with all of these qualities, namely Tito Schipa. Last night, I found another man, named Leopold Simoneau, and I was so moved by his voice that I immediately began downloading his recordings. I even matched him directly against Schipa himself, at one of the roles for which the latter is well-known, and Simoneau was so good that I gave up on trying to decide between them! Here, then, is the same song sung by both. Which do you prefer?
Tito Schipa sings Una furtiva lagrima- 1929
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Léopold Simoneau; "Una furtiva lagrima
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Here is another comparison. I chose a slightly later recording by Schipa, as the sound is better and it really shows off his voice better than the original.
Tito Schipa live at St. Louis in 1941 - "Il mio tesoro" from Mozart's "Don Giovanni
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Leopold Simoneau - "Dalla sua pace", "Il mio tesoro"
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Since the Simoneau version had another song attached, here is a bit more Schipa to compensate. He actually created a role in this opera, meaning that it was written for him. He was seventy-six when recording this, but his voice is still amazing!
Tito Schipa - No! Non lasciarmi solo (La Rondine) (Private recording, 1964)
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Analysis
If I really had to compare these two singers, I would say that Simoneau's voice has a little something that Schipa's lacks, but I can't exactly explain it. Maybe, it's more delicate, flexible, or smooth. I'm not sure. But there is a quality that many other singers have, where they'll start soft, and then overpower everything with loud, booming voices. This is not only true of most modern singers who, after they sing a few notes, I turn off due to dislike of their style. Even the greats who had beautiful voices and sung in the old way did it. I realise, naturally, that some parts truly require this sort of voice, so it is quite necessary. But if I am going to sit down with a glass of wine and listen to someone sing for sheer enjoyment, as I am doing now, I don't want that. I can listen to both Schipa and Simoneau all day without tiring. Even at their loudest and most passionate, they still sound gentle and lovely, which is why they are so rare.
Here is another video with all sorts of light and lyric tenors. None are modern, so they all sing beautifully. Sadly, they are not named, so I don't know who is who, but I do think I caught Schipa and have said recording separately.
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And another, again with no names.
Due to the anniversary of the writing of La Boheme on 1 February), I am going to do another comparison of a single song by some of the best singers in history. I didn't know about this until yesterday morning, so it actually works out well that I have these! Again, I am new to opera, (my theatrical love is operetta), so take any comments I make with that in mind. That, or just ignore them entirely and enjoy the wonderful music. Now, on to the comparison! A few voices will be familiar from last time, while a few wil be new to the mix. These are in chronological order.
Enrico Caruso (1906) - La Bohème_ Che gelida manina
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John McCormack ~ Che gelida manina. 1910 4
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Tito Schipa - Che gelida manina (1913)
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Richard Tauber La Boheme Che Gelida Manina HMB 75 M x xxB6981 2 enregistré le25 avril1924
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Louis Graveure - La Boheme Che Galida Manina Your Tiny Hand Is Frozen Sung In French 4
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Beniamino Gigli - Che gelida manina (H.M.V. 1931)
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Analysis
Enrico Caruso
I actually read that Puccini himself loved this version, and I am not surprised. Caruso could sing anything placed before him and make it seem effortless. As usual, his control is perfect, being not too strong and not too quiet. At the same time, he conveys great emotion without being overly dramatic. He hits the high note with ease, then slides down with only the slightest embellishment.
John McCormack
I first heard of this singer through Ivor Novello's song Keep The Home Fires Burning. I loved his voice and immediately noticed his incredibly clear diction. But I had no idea he sang opera, until I learned more about him. While he was primarily known for much lighter music, he did sing several opera pieces early in his career. Apparently, he sang sixty-four notes in one breath in Il mio tesoro from Don Giovanni!
His voice is lighter than Caruso's, so of course, this lends a different feeling to things. But like the former, the control of his emotions and voice is flawless. I am not surprised that he hit the high note so easily, given his voice type. But he doesn't do much with it, and just slides back down. His version is very sweet and gentle, but powerful in its own right.
Tito Schipa
Here is another light voice, though of a different kind. I will admit, when quickly previewing these before writing this review, this version actually brought tears to my eyes, and it's doing it again as I listen to it! There is simply something magical about this man's voice. I notice control, yes, but such sweetness and smoothness that I can only listen in wonder. I also notice he rolls his rs a lot and really slides his notes. He hits the high note so naturally that he seems made for it, then modulates a bit, making it all more pronounced.
Richard Tauber
Now, we return to the heavy weights with regard to voice. Of course, Tauber had to do things his own way, and sang this in German, which was a unique and interesting touch. Considering how long he lived and that, unlike McCormac, he continued to record opera (among other genres), I was surprised not to find a later recording of this. But at least it puts him on even footing with the others.
Right away, I notice his heavier voice. This is someone who could sing very powerfully and compete with Caruso himself! Unlike the former, however, Tauber really uses dynamics. His emotions are far more pronounced than others we've heard so far, and he is more dramatic. He reaches the high note, but due to the darkness of his voice, it has a heavier feeling to it. He then slides back down without much embellishment.
Louis Graveure
This man needs a bit of an introduction. He is very close to my heart for a specific reason. He was among the most well-known and best students of Clara Novello Davies, from whom I am learning, using her book You Can Sing as a guide. In it, she wrote of him with glowing praise. But when he started with her, he was so badly conjested that he could barely sing at all, and even she was hesitant to take him as a student! (It was a serious problem, not a head cold.) Look what her methods and his hard work produced! It's also worth noting that he actually switched from a baritone to a tenor for the last few years of his recording career, which I didn't even realise was possible!
I am accustomed to his lower voice, so to say that this shocked me is an understatement. He is singing in French, which actually makes sense, given the title and subject of the opera, though I read the original was in Italian. Another thing I notice is that while he can clearly hit the high notes, his voice does crack a tiny bit at least twice when doing so. That said, it's strength is palpable, even through an acoustic recording. His technique is much more agressive than even Tauber's, giving his version a very different feel. He reaches the high note beautifully, which is astounding, given how low his voice could go. Interestingly, it's not as dark as Tauber's. He also adds a tiny bit of modulation before sliding down. I am impressed with the flexibility of his voice, to be sure, but it does seem a product of extremely hard work, rather than being natural.
Beniamino Gigli
He begins with a sound that is almost as sweet as Schipa! Very light and calm, it immediately makes me think of something relaxing. But then, he becomes himself, and sings in the classic opera style that I described in the last review. That said, it works very well with this song, and the power of his voice can be felt. His is the richest of the recordings with relation to dramatic performance and emotion. It's as if he combines various elements of the other singers. His voice is powerful like Tauber's but less dark. When he hits the high note, it's with great ease, and he embellishes a bit afterward. One thing about Gigli is that, while he can be emotional, he does keep things under control, even if it may seem less so than the other singers.
And my personal winner is... Tito Schipa! I think he added the perfect amount of everything. However, it was incredibly difficult choosing between him and Enrico Caruso, and had someone chosen the latter, I would never have argued the point. I think any time Caruso is involved in a comparison, it makes things far more difficult than if he weren't because I have to look beyond the obvious perfection to find another version of what is perfect. In my case, I am also extremely partial to the voice of Schipa, so it was a double problem! Ultimately, for this song, I think it depends on whether you want a powerful treatment or a softer, smooth one. Perhaps, if I knew Italian, French, or German, I would have used that to guide me.
#BeniaminoGigli #EnricoCaruso #JohnMcormac #opera #music #LaBoheme #review #RichardTauber #TitoSchipa
Those who know me know I am a serious fan of Ivor Novello and the vocal style of his time. They also know that I am studying from the book You Can Sing by Clara Novello Davies (Ivor's mother). One of Madam Clara's most famous students was Louis Graveure, who made at least forty recordings between 1915 and 1930. I literally just learned, a few minutes ago, that he himself taught singing! He died in 1965 and taught until his death. This raises an intriguing question. Are any of his students still alive? Finding one would give me a direct connection to him and also to Madam Clara's own methodology! And obviously, if anyone who knew Ivor is still alive, I would like to find him as well, but sadly, I doubt it, as he died in 1951.
#ClaraNovelloDavies #history #LouisGraveure #opera #singing #theater #theatre
Let's have a bit of musical fun! This is all the same song, but sung very differently, by the best opera singers in the world, plus an American who would either make them laugh or scream. It's not that I adore this song, but it's one that all of these singers sang, and as you'll see later, it's what got me started in opera (I'm still very new at it). Just a little from each is fine for this experiment.
Let's start with Enrico Caruso. For those who love Mary Ellis, yes, this is the same man she sang with early in her career. Notice how differently he sings from everyone else on this list!
Enrico Caruso - O Sole Mio
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Now from Richard Tauber. For my fellow operetta lovers, he is very good to know, as he sang with Lehar at the piano many times (including a concert in 1947), along with recording many other lovely songs by other composers, even in English! But back to this one, he actually sings it in German!
Meine Sonne (O Sole Mio) - RICHARD TAUBER (1927)
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Now from Beniamino Gigli.
Beniamino Gigli-O sole mio
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Now, from Pavarotti. Normally, I don't include people born as late as he (1935) in my opera adventures. But he was literally the only opera singer I knew of until a few months ago. Remember, I'm an operetta lover, and that's a whole different thing.
Luciano Pavarotti_ 'O Sole Mio'
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One of these is not like the others, and here it is! For powerful voices in popular music, I would recommend Tom Jones (he's from Wales, so that's a given), Roy Orbison, or Tony Williams (from the Platters). Nevertheless, this is how I always knew the song, until I heard that it was originally in Italian. One day, I decided to research it, found the version by Caruso, and my opera journey began.
elvis presley - its now or never (1960)
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Here, then, is my very quick analysis, as a listener, not any sort of expert in either singing or opera, so the rest of the world will probably disagree with me.
Enrico Caruso: This performance is flawless. He slides his notes perfectly and doesn't add or subtract too much of anything. Yet his voice is strong, and would be clear if the recording equipment had permitted it.
Richard Tauber: Right away, the difference in language is noticeable, and it is quite interesting. Again, the recording removes some of the clarity, but his voice shines through and is strong. He is a bit more dramatic than Caruso, but is still perfectly balanced.
Beniamino Gigli: Normally, I like his singing. But here, he seems to overdo it. His voice is strong, but he's much too dramatic. That said, this is exactly what I would have expected opera to sound like prior to learning anything about it, so let's call him the classic.
Luciano Pavarotti: His voice is clear and sweet, and his diction is lovely. I'm sure he normally sings wonderfully. But to me, this is void of emotion and is very uninspiring, especially after hearing the others. Had I herd it on its own, my opinion may have been different.
Elvis Presley: It's not really fair to judge him on the same lines as the others. He had no formal training in opera, and he didn't pretend to. He took an operatic song and turned it into a popular one, and on those grounds, he did a good job. His voice is tender and sweet, yet strong when it needs to be.
And my personal winner is... It's a tie between Caruso and Tauber! I really can't decide between them, as both are perfect!
#BeniaminoGigli #ElvisPresley #EnricoCaruso #opera #LucianoPavarotti #review #RichardTauber
Sadly, if, like me, you don't know Italian, you'll probably miss what he is saying here. If there are subtitles, I can't read them, since I'm blind. This is also why I can't watch full operas (or even operettas) if they're not in English. At any rate, here Bel Canto singing is being demonstrated. This is what I mean by good opera singers, though to call Beniamino Gigli a good opera singer would be doing him a huge disservice, as he was literally one of the best in history! I am curious as to what he is demonstrating, though. In the first example, I actually hear him breathing. For anyone who follows the style of Clara Novello Davies, the whole point is breath control, and I know that this is important in Bel Canto as well. Is he showing what not to do, or that you don't need to apply such power as in the second example? I say that because modern singers have too much vibrato and often show emence effort, while older ones are more natural in their approach, even if they do have powerful voices. This is not me speaking from my hat. I can hear the differences and also heard them described by experts.
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Here is a video about fake versus real BelCanto singing. It is well and truly beyond the scope of my limited knowledge. I'm also a lot better with male singers and contraltos rather than suppranos, so I'll just leave this to the experts and those who are much farther along the path than I.
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People who will never be accepted: Minors. I don't feel comfortable having anyone under eighteen (preferably twenty-one) follow me, even as subscribers.
People who will always be subscribers: Those who constantly write about politics, who always use obscenities, anti-capitalists, anarchists, extreme leftists and rightists), religious fanatics, those who hardly post in English, only post about technology and/or games (not including accessibility), or medical/mental issues.
Note. I'm not talking about having a bad day or posting once about politics. I'm talking about those who barely post anything else.
People who will always be friends: Those who post about high culture (classical music, good literature, art, history, theatre, wine, coffee, tea, snuff, fine dining, etc.), male fashion, nature, pets (especially cats), plants/gardening, good news, writing, and daily life (without constant drama).
Ironically, you've connected to me first. My channel has only got two topics. The primary topic is a certain kind of 3-D virtual worlds, the secondary topic is the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, although this may include accessibility topics. Since this is not my personal, all-round channel, I don't post about anything else.
I'm working on a series of posts that will touch male fashion. But they'll touch male fashion in the above-mentioned virtual worlds, I'll post them on a dedicated (streams) channel, and this Hubzilla channel will only forward them. Also, expect each one to have both a summary and a spoiler tag for those who are easily triggered by even the slightest eye contact.
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I didn't join Friendica to protest anything. I didn't join to make a political statement. I joined for one reason only. Facebook shut down their Basic Mobile site (not app), and their main site is a nightmare to use with screen readers. That's it. I was just looking for a place where I could find new friends (I lost almost all of mine after moving here), and read interesting things. Yet almost everyone I approve gets set to Subscriber, because of constant political posts, anti-capitalism/extreme leftism, or an obsession with technology. Yes, I post about artificial intelligence, but just as something interesting I read in the news. I don't live for technology. Likewise, I mostly don't choose the places I buy from based on politics, how the workers are paid, what the owners do, etc. It is true that I don't ever give to the Salvation army because of their stance on homosexuality. But I can't simply stop buying from Amazon. I could count the number of books I've bought from them in almost twenty years on one hand. What I do buy from them is everything else, like essentials for my life, from food, to body care, to technology, to household items, and more. I love it when people say "just buy locally". Great! Now can you give me a working pair of eyes, money, and a car? Then, there are those who say "try this site". That seems reasonable. But will they give me free shipping and discounts as Amazon does, and will their selection be as varied? If there is a site like that, I would be more than willing to buy from it. Anyway, I'm just looking for people who share my interests, and while I've found a few, they are very few, indeed. Even those who just post regular things, whether they interest me or not, seem rare here. This probably why so many people don't come to the Fediverse. It's like there's a little clique, and those of us who are not in it are shut out in the cold. Yes, we're invited, and some of the people here are truly wonderful individuals as a whole. But if we have nothing in common with most of them, how are we supposed to find our own? Thank you to those who do post wonderful things. I did find a few of you, and rest assured, you are set to friends and to all, so that I see all of your posts.
As a grammar prescriptivist, I take writing and proper use of words very seriously. I recently saw a post about ending text messages with full stops. Apparently, some think this is a bad idea. No. It's called using punctuation correctly! Perhaps, they should read a few grammars instead of playing their silly video games! The same is true of netspeak, textspeak, corporate spaek, and abbreviating everything. Likewise, I have no use for political correctness. I refuse to use words such as visually-challenged, vertically-challenged, etc. I will say blind (or visually impaired if the person has some vision), short, fat, etc. Unless I'm writing poetry and am seeking flowery words for things, I call them what they are. Neither do I see any difference between saying "a blind person" and "a person who is blind", for example. I also have no time for so-called gender-neutral words, unless they honestly make sense and are actually descriptive, such as firefighter or police officer. But I'm just as likely to say fireman, policeman, waiter, steward, actor, chairman, etc. and change the gender when necessary. I refuse to use the singular they. There are two sexes (gender is for grammar). You're either one or the other. This absolutely doesn't mean that you can't change your sex. If, for example, I meet you as a woman and you change to a man or are a drag king/queen, I will certainly change my use of pronouns when discussing you or talking about you, either permenantly or temporarily, as the case requires. But unless you literally have multiple personalities or are a machine or an inanimate object, you are neither a they nor an it, and you're certainly not some made-up pronoun such as xe. I would never cause harm to those who use such words. I would just consider them to be silly or confused. If the sex is unknown, or if a sentence can apply to both sexes, I use the masculine, simply because it's grammatically correct to do so.
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I am the chairperson of an organisation and I'm not a chairman. You are more obsessed by your gramnar obsession than for the respect of the individuals. I am very certain that this should be the other way round.
At the end of the day, only humans use grammar. The use of grammar should focus on the respect of people.
I am the chaiperson of my organisation literally. Why do I want to pigeonhole myself? The chairperson terminology is valid and inclusive. Why should the focus be gender centric and exclusive?
I certainly rebel to the patriarchal society and will identity myself as a person, not a gender.
When people write to me, they simply use Dear Ms Duval or Dear Linda. Nobody has ever reported to me that they have struggled in finding an appropriate term.
Dear Sir or Madam are also acceptable when someone does not know the name of the person they are writing to. I would expect this to be rare since most people would make an effort to find out to whom they are writing to these days.
I sign my correspondence as Chair of (name of my organisation)
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Mrs is also an unacceptable term. There is no need for women to have to advertise whether they are married. There is only one term for men and it is Mr. Women should use Ms. Women really need to move on from the old Victorian patriarchal society that entrapped women into submission.
Again, if someone needs to write to the chaiperson of an organisation, the most respecful thing to do, would simply to find out to whom they are writing to.
English is my 2nd language, so I stand corrected!
What is important is to recognise when language is used, or has been used to entrap women into 2nd class citizenship.
Being feminist is not the same as being man-haters. Being feminist is the force that empowers women to achieve equality.
Grammar and language, when used appropriately, is an additional tool that can help women ascend to equality.
By the way, I am enjoying this conversation very much!
Your preferences are yours and you choose what you prefer. However, we live in a society where it is important to be aware where language can be detrimental to women.
The difference can be simply felt in how much you get paid compared to a man in the same role. Please search "gender pay gap" and you will find that in the legal industry, for example, men can earn as much as 59% more than a woman in the same role.
As someone who is totally blind, the Fediverse is the only place where I have ever been able to follow people such as photographers, artists, or even those who post pictures of their cats or the food they ate. The reason is that most of them use alt text. They take the time to describe the images that my screen reader can't recognise. Some write the descriptions themselves, and others use tools such as altbot. Some worry that their descriptions aren't good enough, especially when they are new at this. Let me assure you, not only are they good enough, they are extremely appreciated! If the rest of the world thought as you did, it would be a much better place. Don't hesitate to ask if you're unsure of something, but never think that we don't notice your effort.
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Here's something I posted before about an easy way to get more consistent at this... 🙂
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@loren@flipping.rocks I've posted this before, but I'm pretty rubbish at remembering alt-txt, but since I followed @PleaseCaptionBot@hachyderm.Mastodon App UK
Thanks for posting this.
I've shared a screenshot of your post on Bluesky as well: bsky.app/profile/drsybren.bsky…
@sybren I will do the same if that’s okay with you Georgina. I can omit your name/avatar.
Bluesky actually has a settings option where you can only send your post after adding Alt Text, which I have activated.
@lydiaschoch I find that I will put extra information in the alt text. Joke that's not in the post itself, perhaps. Pointing out what's strange in the picture. Explaining the joke. Something like it's a SPOILER tag you're only going to get if you check the alt text.
If web comics can do it, why not everyone?
Besides, the character count on alt text is HUGE.
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@zy Some Mastodon sites offer to translate a post into the reader's language, which also translates the ALT text. As someone who likes to read posts in languages I'm not fluent with, it helps a lot to understand the pictures as well (e.g. memes or comic strips).
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You can also follow an alt text not that will remind you when you forget to add alt text. It just sends you a message requesting that you add alt text
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on desktop web browsers, there's a tag in the corner of an image - either ALT or just a scary red exclamation mark (indicating that there's no ALT text).
If a user drags the mouse pointer over the image, the alt text is visible to sighted users. I think most mobile apps show it on a click, but I don't really remember.
I'm sighted. I haven't tested with a screen reader, but when looking at a Fedi post from a Web browser, the alt text is in the IMG ALT tag. Mouse over, and it just displays the alt text.
Most other social networking platforms seem to put the alt text behind a "click the small ALT button and a popup will pop up" mechanism.
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I'm sighted and I often look at the alt text on Fediverse graphics!
It's great for things like "here's a person I don't recognise, are they famous, is it a clip from a show and what's the show and why is it relevant here". There are cultural references which would just whoosh over my head without the description.
Or sometimes there'll be one like "photo of woodland, with a squirrel" and I'll be like "oh yeah! there _is_ a squirrel in the corner there" 😀
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Are alt texts expected to be objective?
I post a lot of art and am curious if I should describe the subjective interpretation as well.
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Yes, good point. There is space for a little fun in there. When the subjective is the point of sharing the image, I think that's precisely what you should do.
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Well, there in lies the difficulty. I dislike instructing others in how they should see my work. Like in a gallery or museum, I like to keep the accompanying text relatively objective, as I feel all interpretations are valid. But that's not very helpful for those who cannot see it.
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Yes, I might be overthinking this a tad. Still, it's good to differentiate between intensions for descriptions. I've seen a museum boast about accessibility when the images only had a description from the artists, clearly intended for those able to view the work.
Yes, that's the problem. I see it as something that should match the intension but in the case of art, that can also be subjective. So in this case, if it's a work of art, I would be tempted to describe why this chair is beautiful to me.
Something like, "The soft lighting on the chair and the delicate carving evoke a sense of nostalgia in me."
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Of course, I don't pretend that my ALT descriptions are perfect or accurate, but they are an extension of my own expression, with my own flaws, mistakes, and way of describing things. And well, I'm a human, not a machine, so I guess that's part of the homemade charm. 😺
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@davidrevoy @nunesdennis also, at minimum, consider that the default is something like "image." So even the difference between "photo" and "screenshot" and "meme" at least provides handles on what they're missing.
Obviously enough detail to be included in the conversation is better & elaboration on what's notable or aesthetic is best. Someone could always ask a question if they were curious, but not if they have insufficient info.
I usually elaborate on why it's nice: see attached
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Oh, one other alt-text rule I follow. Sometimes an image contains no additional information at all. When this is the case, I actually say so, as briefly as possible. If the post already describes the image fully, I just caption "As described". If multiple photos contain the same thing, I just say "ibid." (or maybe "a burning dumpster", "same dumpster from another angle", "ibid.", "ibid."). If I *say* there's no useful information, a screen reader user won't have to *wonder* why it's blank.
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How well do very general descriptions of popular media references tend to work for members of your community? For example:
Scene from The Empire Strikes Back, Lando Calrissian muttering to himself "This deal's getting worse all the time..."
I'd hope major hits like Star Wars have been made as accessible as possible over the years, but still worry such minimal scene-setting might perpetuate a "you had to be there" feeling of exclusion.
Einige schreiben die Beschreibungen selbst, andere verwenden Tools wie altbot. Manche machen sich Sorgen, dass ihre Beschreibungen nicht gut genug sind, vor allem, wenn sie neu auf diesem Gebiet sind. Ich kann Ihnen versichern, dass sie nicht nur gut genug sind, sondern auch sehr geschätzt werden! Wenn der Rest der Welt so denken würde wie Sie, wäre es ein viel besserer Ort. …
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I admit that sometimes I struggle with alt tags. Understanding what there is to see in a picture is one thing, but providing info within the context of the overall post seems like it can come in handy
Curious to know if you tried Bluesky. I ask bc I thought Bluesky has a way to caption images.
As BSKY is just a walled off version of the the rest of the fediverse, it does - the same capability as most servers.
For the people who worry that their alt text isn't good enough - just keep practicing.
And consider how long it takes to read the ALT text. Was this a throw-away decorative image? Something brief should be fine. Was this image the thing you wanted to share? Time to be more descriptive.
Thank you so much for posting this! I always include alt-text, but started doing so consistently mostly because self-appointed alt-text cops kept needling me anytime I left it out. This is the first time an alt-text user has actually said something nice about it (that I've seen in my feed, anyway).
Very kind of you to take a moment and say you appreciate it. I will continue to include it.
Hi - I need to learn - how should we go about captioning video?
Thanks!
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I alt it the same way I do an image.
Physical description, then meanings/subtleties that are not as obvious, and if there is one the script
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In so many different kinds of art - it depends!
I would describe what strikes me.
So, "Portrait of a person standing next to a window but entirely made up of straight brushstrokes no single one shorter than the length of the face."
Or, "Bold black lines intersect across a white canvas with a single square of yellow towards the upper right corner."
Honestly, if you don't know how on something specific - reach out and ask. If I'm around I'm happy to give it a go, but there's also the hashtag ALT4Me which will summon a figurative army to help you out 😁
What a great post, so helpful and encouraging.
I have a deaf/blind follower who mentioned my alt/text to me early on and I've tried to make a point of it ever since.
Describing colors is important, and all the things that make photos interesting. I figure if people don't want to read the whole thing, no one has to!
But I also try to make it funny, if I can, like dog_rates always does, so there's a point to reading it for everyone. I'm sure I rarely succeed. 😀
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So it's inconvenient, he leaves a comment under the post. I need to copy it and edit the post.
Inconvenient? ...
Well, actually, check this answer from Georgiana:
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@Xanathon That would be truly wonderful! But honestly, even just using AltBot normally is fine, since the descriptions usually appear as a post right after the original.
So what? She says it would be nice Alt text in the photo, but if this is difficult, then alt text in the form of a post from an altbot is enough. This proves my point about inconvenience. It would be convenient if the image was recognized and the text was inserted at the stage of writing the post!
I have already raised this issue with the developer of Tusky. I love this app and hope the developer will implement this feature.
@My best life 🎒 This is actually what I mean when I say altbot. It's very easy to use, and the instructions are on the page.
I read every Alt Text, despite not using a screen reader. I think you might find that quite a few people do!
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@Memere I've seen posts that say something like "Can you believe this nonsense?"
And the image didn't make said nonsense obvious.
But the alt-text did. Sometimes, explaining the joke works for everyone.
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@Nat Oleander It's just a pity that if you post about an obscure enough niche topic like I do, it's the more difficult to make image posts perfectly accessible to everyone, the more obscure the topic is. For the more obscure the topic is, the more you have to describe, and the more you have to explain. (Caution: Never put explanations into alt-text! They must go where everyone can access them.)
I currently write the longest image descriptions in the whole Fediverse by a wide margin. But they may not actually be accessible enough, even though I describe all my original images twice.
The short descriptions in the alt-text don't always contain text transcripts, especially not all of them, and being only short descriptions, they aren't full, detailed visual descriptions either. The long descriptions for the same images in the post regularly end up with a five-digit character count. They may not be accessible because they're way too long. But sometimes they're the only place where all text transcripts can be found. And they are the only place where explanations can be found.
So the consequence should be that I quit posting my original images because they're impossible to make perfectly accessible to everyone, at least as long as there is no rock-solid definition for what's actually required in image descriptions in my obscure edge-case. But there isn't even any consensus on whether text that's illegible or that's so tiny that it's basically invisible must be transcribed if it can be sourced.
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@Georgiana Brummell I'd say not everyone would consider almost 1,000 characters of image description in a 1,500-character alt-text accessible. And even fewer people would consider a long image description in the post itself that's tens of thousands of characters long accessible if your screen reader spends an hour or several rambling it down.
My most extreme case is a post with only one image. That one image is described twice like all my halfway recent original images. The short description in the alt-text is a bit over 1,400 characters long which barely leaves any room for the note that there is also a long description in the post itself. That long description is over 60,000 characters long. I'm not kidding. It took me two full days from getting up to going to bed to research for it and write it.
Now, there are a few dozen bits and pieces of text all over the image. At the resolution at which I've posted the image, two of them are ever so barely legible for sighted people. They're on a large logo on a building. Four more, two of them on that logo, too, two more on a sign on an easel, are illegible, but still visible. At least more on signs inside the building are visible, but they can't easily be identified as text. All the others are so tiny that they're invisible. It takes the long image description to even know where they are, for example, on the control panels of teleporters.
And yet, they are all within the borders of the image. And I can transcribe them. I can't read them in the image, but I can go to the place shown in the image and take closer looks.
Unfortunately, the rule or guideline that any and all text in an image must be transcribed verbatim does not take into consideration text that can't be read in the image, but that can be sourced and thus transcribed by whoever posts the image. No confirmation, no exception. And so I have to assume that I have to transcribe illegible text as well. And so I do transcribe them all.
But there's no way for me to put all these text transcripts into the alt-text, not if I want to keep Mastodon, Misskey and their forks from chopping it off at the 1,500-character mark. I'd also have to explain where all these pieces of text are, after all. And so the text transcripts are only available in the 60,000-character monster of a long image description.
It isn't really accessible to expect blind users to have their screen readers ramble and ramble and ramble for hours, just to get information that should actually belong into the alt-text which, in turn, shouldn't be longer than 200 characters.
On the other hand, it doesn't really seem accessible to me if I expect people to ask me to describe things in the image for them. It rather feels sloppy, if not out-right ableist to not describe everything that someone could possibly want to know right away.
The problem with my images is that they're renderings from very obscure 3-D virtual worlds. This means that nobody knows what anything in these images looks like unless they can see these images. This, in turn, means that I cannot expect anyone to know what something in my images looks like anyway. They don't.
At the same time, I can't expect everyone to not care about my images. In fact, I expect the very topic of 3-D virtual worlds that actually exist to make people curious. At this point, it doesn't matter what's important in my images within the context of the post. Sighted people will go explore the new and unknown world by taking closer looks at all the big and small details in the image.
But blind or visually-impaired people may be just as curious. They may want the same chance to explore this new world by experiencing what's in that one image. Denying them the same chances as sighted people is ableist. But giving them this chance requires an absolutely titanic image description.
Sure, I describe lots of details which a sighted person can't possibly recognise when looking at the image, especially not at the resolution of the image as I've posted it. But I simply can't keep telling blind or visually-impaired people that certain things in the image can't be recognised due to the image resolution. It feels lazy, like weaseling out. I mean, I can see all these details. Not in the image, but where the image was made, simply by walking closer to them or moving the camera closer to them.
If there are two dark objects inside a building that may or may not be plants, but that can't be identified as plants by looking at the image, why shouldn't I describe them as follows: "On the sides of the teleport panel, there are two identical açaí palms in square terracotta pots with wide rims. Like the other potted plants, these mostly dark green plants with long pointy leaves are kept at an indoor-compatible size, namely about three and a half metres or eleven and a half feet tall. Also, like the other potted plants, they are made of only four flat surfaces with partially transparent pictures of the plant on them, arranged in angles of 45 degrees to one another."
If there's room for improvement in my image descriptions, I improve my future image descriptions and declare my past image descriptions outdated. In fact, the 60,000-character-long description is outdated because it's bad style to describe dimension using measures. Instead, dimensions should be described by comparing them with something everyone is familiar with like body parts.
Right now, by the way, I'm upping my game at describing avatars, using rules and guidelines for describing people which I've discovered over the last few months. The last time I've described an avatar, I've done so in about 7,000 characters, but according to my new discoveries, I may have missed something.
However, I can't go into so much detail while still making my image descriptions short enough that a screen reader can read through them in under a minute.
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@Georgiana Brummell @Nat Oleander Well, technically speaking, the long description isn't alt-text.
What went into the actual alt-text of the image were 1,402 characters of visual description + 97 characters of notice that there's a long description in the post. The over 60,000 characters went into the post text body, right below the image itself.
I could have put the long description into the alt-text. But it would have been a nightmare for blind or visually-impaired people because screen readers can't navigate alt-text. Also, Mastodon, Glitch, Hometown, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Sharkey, Catodon and the other Mastodon and Misskey forks chop long alt-texts from outside off at the 1,500-character mark. Mastodon would simply have deleted almost 59,000 characters from my image description on their side, had I put it into the alt-text.
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I had never written alt text before joining the fediverse, but I’ve come to appreciate the opportunity it gives me to think about why I posted the image and what’s worth knowing about it. I still do worry, but I feel more relaxed thanks to your post.
: thank you!
I often spend more time writing alt text than the text in the toot itself - not just to keep the toot itself as short as possible.
Writing alt text, even if using energy, is useful for myself as well. In particular in the case of photo's, it makes me look better. Often I notice details that I missed before.
What I like about Mastodon is the enormous variety in people, from all over the world, one can meet here and discuss with. Even if I'm not an "easy person", it enriches my life.
Thank you again, and my pleasure!
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I often spend more time writing alt text than the text in the toot itself - not just to keep the toot itself as short as possible.
I always spend more time describing my images than writing the post that they go into.
For my meme posts, that's because I have to explain the picture and find the appropriate links to external explanations (KnowYourMeme etc.) to shorten my explanation block if possible.
For my original images, it's because I have to describe them twice. There's always an alt-text which, as of late, fills the 1,500-character limit imposed by Mastodon, Misskey etc. to the brim. But that alt-text is only a shortened and slightly adapted version of an extremely long long description which goes into the post text body and which also includes transcripts of any and all text in the image, readable or not, as well as all explanations which I deem necessary for outsiders to understand the image. Since the images are about an extremely obscure niche topic, this means I have to explain a lot.
A while ago, I spent two full days, morning to evening, researching for and describing and explaining one single image. The result was probably the longest image description ever posted in the Fediverse. And I actually had to limit myself, otherwise the description would have been even vastly longer and taken over a month to complete. Good thing I don't have any character limit to worry about. The only exception is that Mastodon may reject posts from outside with over 100,000 characters.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
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A while back, I built an exhibit I thought people would find interesting.
The first place I took it, I was thanked for having an exhibit which was accessible for the visually-impaired (I'm not certain about totally blind). I hadn't even thought of it that way!
You can read my write-up here. Unfortunately, the "caption" property on the images kind of conflicts with the "alt text" property, and I don't know which one you'll get.
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Just out of curiosity, if you have no vision impairment - why does your avi have glasses on?
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How do I make posts more accessible to blind people on Mastodon and the Fediverse?
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If there’s no #Alt4Me tag on the undescribed image, it’s still worth being polite as no one wants bad feelings generated around the topic of descriptions. You might want to just reply with a description and #Alt4You tag, and if they’re abled they will hopefully get the message that descriptions are preferred.
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A friendly suggestion to all the people who follow me here: put alt text on your images. It makes a difference!
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Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I fail. I've tried using the Alt-for-me tag, but nobody responded.
If you don't mind my asking - as a comic artist, I usually post full comic pages. There isn't enough alt text room to fully transcribe the page, so usually l will write something like "Page X of the comic Love and Hex. Full transcript: (link to an external page with both the comic image and a complete transcript)" followed by a broader description of what's going on without much detail.
Does that sort of thing suffice, or is there a preferred approach?
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Are there things your screen reader has trouble with or that make listening more tedious?
I remember from years ago there was a sequence preference for some things. For example, with lists, I think the preference was word first, then tick box or radio button.
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Don't hesitate to ask if you're unsure of something, but never think that we don't notice your effort.
I do have a few questions, specifically because my image posts have gone unnoticed by blind or visually-impaired users so far.
Judging and assuming from the information I've gathered so far, my original images require very extensive and detailed descriptions. A full description is too long for alt-text, so what I do is write a full description with all text transcripts and all necessary explanations, put it into the post text body and then condense a shorter, but still long alt-text from it. What's your stance on this method of describing the same image twice over?
Also, where would you personally prefer a long description? In the post itself? Or in an external document that's linked into the post? If you're on a phone app, remember that the external document will inevitably open your Web browser.
Do you prefer images described, based on what a sighted person can see in the image as it is posted? Or do you prefer a description that is not limited by the restriction of the image itself, for example, assuming an infinite image resolution and an infinite zoom factor that would let sighted people theoretically see even tiniest details?
If I mention something in my image description of which you don't know what it looks like, do you need a detailed visual description?
Concerning text transcripts: Let's assume a bit of text in an image is too small to be legible for sighted people, but I can read it at the original source, so I can transcribe it nonetheless. Shall I transcribe it? What about if said text is too small to be recognisable as text or so tiny that's it's practically invisible? I mean, after all, the concept of image resolution should not matter to totally blind people, so writing that a piece of text can't be read because the resolution of the image is too low ought to sound like a lame excuse for skimping a transcript.
If there's a building in one of my images, I can safely assume that you don't know what that one specific building looks like, so I guess I can also assume that you need it described. If I could, I would do so using architectural terms and then explaining all these architectural terms right after using them. Would you say that's the correct way? Because that's why I avoid having realistic buildings in my images.
If there's an image in my image, do you need it described? At a level that I can source right where the image is without moving away too far, or at a level that I can only source by moving farther away to the place shown in the image? What about an image in an image in my image? (I'm serious. I've actually described images within images within my image, but I've stopped when this was about to go out of hand due to there being too many to describe.)
I'm currently working on a series of posts with images showing a virtual-world avatar in various but similar outfits; in fact, I have been since last year. I may have questions later regarding at what level of detail I have to describe that avatar.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
Thank you.
And - everyone sighted, please, let us worry a bit about our descriptions. It's a good thing to worry about.
That is, many of our worries are about things that are completely out of our hands. Alt texts are something we can act on. We can think about what we see in a picture, what's important to us, what we want to convey, what we should describe. We can talk about it with each other, try things out, and get better at it.
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thanks!
I've shared this post of you because more people need to know that Alt Text and Image Descriptions are not only good but are appreciated by those that rely on them!
- The strenght of the Fediverse is based upon it's diversity, and that must include accessibility!
After all it's easy for sighted people to dismiss it when in reality it doesn't take away anything from them if they just write a sentence or two per image.
- Thabks for letting us know!
#AltText #ImageDescription #Accessibility #Fediverse #blind #inclusion #thanks
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I do my best with this. It's extra writing, and I love the sound of my own voice even in text, so I actually find it fun and not a chore.
Still, Fedi really taught me how important it is and how to do it well, and I'm thankful for that. I've been on the periphery of web dev since before it was called "web dev" so I knew what alt text was. But I'll confess to never doing it particularly well before I came here.
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Will do as soon and as good as I can. I promise. Sorry for ignoring this until now 🥹
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“Whom does not see, yet has thousands of eyes writing for them?”
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When I get a message in German, the alt text is also in German (for example). It makes it easy to copy and paste into an internet translator.
I have found it helpful when the words are embedded in the picture too. Just go to the alt text and cut and paste.
I'm so happy that it helps people with vision problems.
(I had no idea German would be so important in 2025, but here we are.)
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Things I have no interestt in seeing:
Politics, posts in foreign languages that I don't understand, posts with obscenities, bickering over who joins what network, posts about what leaders of various networks do, vegan activism/ promotion, images without descriptions, world affairs (non-Western), posts about mental health, etc.
Things I am Constantly Seeing
Politics, posts in foreign languages that I don't understand, more politics, posts with obscenities, bickering over who joins what network, posts about what leaders of various networks do, yet more politics, vegan activism/ promotion, images without descriptions (very rare here, thankfully), still more politics, world affairs and wars (non-Western), posts about mental health, and you guessed it, even more politics! At least I don't see all of the inspirational/love yourself, or religious posts. Those are just as annoying.
Posts I Would Like to See:
Animals (especially cats and birds), plants, insects, high culture (theatre, classical music, fine dining, literature, fashion, etc.), cooking/recipes, history, science for non-scientists, technology (not just how to write websites or who's doing what in the Fediverse), audio games, good news, interesting discussions, people's daily lives (yes, I know this is not Dreamwidth), etc.
@Meg I would absolutely love to know how to block specific words and phrases! I have looked all over the Friendica.world site and I couldn't find any way to do this. I also couldn't find anything in TweeseCake itself. @Fedi.Tips Can you please help? Is this possible? I had to unfollow several otherwise wonderful people over this.
#blind #blocking #Friendica #moderation #Tweesecake #TweeseCake
Since this post is about fashion, let me start by answering the question that I am sure will be on your mind upon seeing my name. No, I am not related to The Beau. However, I love dandyism as a whole, and I took this name in tribute. I am also working to have his book, Male and Female Costume, published online freely, but that's for another post and time. At any rate, I am forty-one and am passionate about antique menswear, Regency as a scholarly pursuit, and Edwardian for daily wear. Naturally, I am constantly researching and trying to expand upon my knowledge. I am totally blind, so I must rely on descriptions rather than images.
I am the type who would like to wear a three-piece suit and accessories everywhere I go. I've decided that for my first one, I should get a lounge suit, since I can wear it almost anywhere during the day, provided it's not a formal occasion. I will eventually have morning wear, white tie, black tie, and informal evening wear, but that's for later. I have found some sites which create reproductions of men's Edwardian suits, but most use synthetic materials and/or zippers, which I refuse to wear, and none uses fabrics of the proper thickness. I found sites that make women's suits with men's specifications (no ridiculous enhancements of breasts, butt, shallow pockets, soft colours, buttons on the wrong sides of shirts, etc.) but they only make modern clothing. Ebay and Etsy occasionally have some authentic pieces, but most are too formal for daily use, even by Edwardian standards! I am also having difficulty with finding some accessories, such as proper ties and socks without elastic. My other option is to have a suit commissioned, but for that, I need to find a good tailor. The best in the world, in my opinion, is Zack Pinsent, but he's in England and I'm in America (New Jersey).
I am seeking those who share my interest in antique menswear, and perhaps some advice as to where I can find such clothing and/or accessories.
For those who are interested in my journey so far, here is my dreamwidth post containing all sorts of links related to Regency and Edwardian menswear.
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/210…
#accessories #antiquemenswear #bespoke #clothing #dandyism #daywear #dressing #Edwardian #eveningwear #fashion #formal #historicalclothing #informal #loungesuit #masculinewomen #mensfashion #menswear #morningwear #offtherack #Regency #suits #tailors
I am seeking assistance with singing and learning music theory. This could be in the form of teaching, giving advice, or just listening to me and sharing your opinion of my progress. This is not for a career, just for my own enrichment, though after the correct amount of time has passed, I may decide to take it further and sing publicly in some form or other, perhaps in a choir or a radio play. However, my requirements are quite specific, and I do realise this will be a long process.
Requirements
1. I have no interest in modern singers, musicians, or their techniques. I am using the book You Can Sing, by Clara Novello Davies, as a basis for everything, especially my physical and vocal exercises. I am interested in the techniques of her time and that of her son, Ivor Novello, with a focus on operetta, and perhaps, choral singing.
- The above also holds for music theory. I am aligning my knowledge and methodology with what was taught during Ivor's time. A list of all the books I am using, as well as an explanation of the knowledge I have attained so far can be found here. This includes the differences between modern and older singers.
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- Please be aware that I am totally blind. I cannot use images, graphical charts, tables, musical notation, etc. Braille music does exist, but I don't know how to read it, and would need to have appropriate texts transcribed, in any case. I do, however, have perfect pitch, an excellent sense of rhythm, and a very good musical memory, so perhaps, we can work on modifications that don't truly cross the boundaries into modernity but that are still accessible.
- If you do more than just give occasional advice, I'm sure you will want to be compensated for your work, as that's only right. Please be aware that I can only pay $25 per hour at the most, via Paypal. In that case, I can only work with you for about four hours per month, due to financial constraints, but of course, I will also study on my own. I may be able to do more, but not as a normal practice.
- If you are a descendant of anyone who knew Clara Novello Davies , her students, or Ivor Novello, even if you yourself know nothing about singing, I would still love to hear from you if you have stories to share!
#blind #choir #choralsinging #ClaraNovelloDavies #music #musictheory #singing #theatre #theater #teacher #tutor #vocalinstruction
This is something I wrote on Dreamwidth in September. I think some of you may find it interesting. I myself am beginning to study all of this, as I am fascinated by the singing methods and knowledge of the time. It is a bit difficult doing it being blind and unable to read music, but fortunately, there are ways around that. My perfect pitch and good memory for lyrics also helps.Below, you will find various links related to theory, harmony and counterpoint, and a comparison of older and modern methods of teaching and singing. While this relates to choirs and opera, it also relates to the theatre, particularly operettas and such.
Studying Music: Part I
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/205…My one criterion was that the methods and books used had to be from the time of Ivor Novello, preferably from his youth (born 1893). If I were to start in the early nineteenth century, which is where most of my preferred non-musical educational material is from, I would miss extremely important developments in classical music. Starting at the birth of his mother, Clara Novello Davies, in 1861, would be fine. However, since her own book, which I am using as my main text and guide, was written in 1928, I went with that of her son. In the following sections, you will find the books I am using. One thing I have not included, though it was a huge influence in Ivor's own writing style, was theatrical music, such as that found in operettas and Edwardian musical comedies. That is such a large topic for discussion that I feel it deserves its own separate post, as does Ivor's music, since it's an interesting blend of all of the above. But this is well outside the scope of traditional musical study.
In the next entry, we will delve into vocal training and why the singers of Novello's time sound so wonderful.
Studying Music: Part II
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/205…Finally, since I mentioned the exercises, here they are, for anyone who wants to try them. Note that these are the Preliminaries and Breathlock Physicals, not the vocal exercises. But I have provided the link to her book as well, for those who may wish to go further.
Clara's Exercises
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#books #choir #ClaraNovelloDavies #counterpoint #exercises #harmony #history #IvorNovello #music #musictheory #opera #operetta #singing #studying #vocaltraining #voicetraining #theater #theatre
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I may have written about how I love contraltos, and basically proved that I am one by passing all of the online voice range tests I found. I've also said that Olive Gilbert is my favourite. And for daily listening, she still is. But if there is one woman who could beat her, it is Clara Butt. Never, in my forty-one years of life, has anyone's voice literally sent shivers down my spine! And she died in the 1930's, so it isn't as if this was a modern recording with surround sound. Her voice was simply that powerful and magnetic! I'm now downloading all sorts of songs from her on Youtube.
*Updated.*
Hello. I joined Friendica in October of 2024, after Facebook closed their Basic Mobile site (not app). I live in New Jersey and am forty-one years old. Some of my interests include studying dandyism, nineteenth-century grammar, Upper Received Pronunciation, British history, and the Regency. I like coffee, tea, wine, nasal snuff, cooking, hot baths, reading British literature, watching nature and historical documentaries, gardening, hot weather, and playing cards and dice. I also love cats. In classical music, I enjoy Baroque through a bit of early Romantic, while in popular, I usually prefer 1950's through 1970's. I love theatre (especially English and Viennese operettas, Edwardian musical comedies), and some Regency/Georgian plays. I prefer antique menswear and accessories. It's my dream to either buy a genuine Edwardian suit or have one commissioned. I love wit, wordplay, and dry humour without vulgarity. My parents are lesbians, and I am a huge gay rights supporter, but I stop short of using singular they and promoting the idea of more than two sexes, though you can certainly lean more towards one while being the other (as I do being a masculine woman), or change from one to the other via hormones, surgery etc. I have been totally blind since I was two months old, due to Retinopathy of Prematurity.
I am happily childfree and am not religious. I hardly ever write about politics. I tend to get along better with people older than I, but I will accept friends twenty-one and over. I have no understanding of chronic illness, anxiety, depression, loneliness, etc. I enjoy hearing about cats, cooking or gardening adventures, antiques, and interesting life stories.
This is my journal. Anyone can read or comment, whether or not he is a member.
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This is something I wrote on Dreamwidth in September. I think some of you may find it interesting. I myself am beginning to study all of this, as I am fascinated by the singing methods and knowledge of the time. It is a bit difficult doing it being blind and unable to read music, but fortunately, there are ways around that. My perfect pitch and good memory for lyrics also helps.
Below, you will find various links related to theory, harmony and counterpoint, and a comparison of older and modern methods of teaching and singing. While this relates to choirs and opera, it also relates to the theatre, particularly operettas and such.
Studying Music: Part I
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/205…
My one criterion was that the methods and books used had to be from the time of Ivor Novello, preferably from his youth (born 1893). If I were to start in the early nineteenth century, which is where most of my preferred non-musical educational material is from, I would miss extremely important developments in classical music. Starting at the birth of his mother, Clara Novello Davies, in 1861, would be fine. However, since her own book, which I am using as my main text and guide, was written in 1928, I went with that of her son. In the following sections, you will find the books I am using. One thing I have not included, though it was a huge influence in Ivor's own writing style, was theatrical music, such as that found in operettas and Edwardian musical comedies. That is such a large topic for discussion that I feel it deserves its own separate post, as does Ivor's music, since it's an interesting blend of all of the above. But this is well outside the scope of traditional musical study.
In the next entry, we will delve into vocal training and why the singers of Novello's time sound so wonderful.
Studying Music: Part II
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/205…
Finally, since I mentioned the exercises, here they are, for anyone who wants to try them. Note that these are the Preliminaries and Breathlock Physicals, not the vocal exercises. But I have provided the link to her book as well, for those who may wish to go further.
Clara's Exercises
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/205…
#books #choir #ClaraNovelloDavies #counterpoint #exercises #harmony #history #IvorNovello #music #musictheory #opera #operetta #singing #studying #vocaltraining #voicetraining #theater #theatre
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I can't believe I didn't post this earlier! Anyway, here is a Dreamwidth entry of mine containing all sorts of links related to dandyism, including an entire section on Beau Brummell. As you can tell, this is another one of my great passions.
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/181…
In case you missed it, this one is devoted to fashion itself.
dandylover1.dreamwidth.org/210…
#antiquemensware #BeauBrummell #books #British #clothing #dandies #dandyism #dandyism.net #Dreamwidth #Edwardian #fashion #history #mensware #Regency #suits #Victorian
(This is a companion piece to my dating post, but here, I am strictly seeking friends. Therefore, the beginning will look similar.)
Hello. I live in New Jersey and am forty years old. Some of my interests include studying dandyism, nineteenth-century grammar, Received Pronunciation, and the Regency. I like coffees, teas, and nasal snuffs, and enjoy cooking, reading British literature, watching nature and historical documentaries, gardening, crafts, and playing cards and dice. I like Baroque through Classical and a bit of early Romantic music. I love theatre (especially Regency plays, English and Viennese operettas, and Edwardian musical comedies). I prefer antique menswear and accessories (no feminine clothing). I love wit, wordplay, and dry humour without vulgarity. I am happily childfree and am not religious. I respect those who are, as long as they don't try to convert me or base their lives around it. I also have no time for mind games, drama, or political correctness/sugar coating. I have been totally blind since I was two months old, due to Retinopathy of Prematurity.
I am seeking friends, either online or off, though offline would be ideal, so we can meet and do things together. I don't care about your sex or sexual orientation, but I would prefer friends no younger than twenty-one. I tend to get along with those who are older than I, since we usually have more in common, but it's not a requirement. I am blind, but it's not the focal point of my life. Still, it does mean that I can't drive. I really don't have any understanding of chronic illness, anxiety, depression, loneliness, etc. so if you need someone who could help you through that on a personal level, I'm not the one you're seeking. I also have no children and tend to avoid them, though I am polite when meeting them. I love cats, so if you have any, I would love to meet them or hear about them. I also enjoy hearing about cooking or gardening adventures, antiques, etc. and I love learning about interesting lives. If we do meet, I need to get to know you a bit first.
For those who would like to know more about me, this is my journal. Anyone can read or comment, whether or not he is a member.
#friendship #friends #fun #men #NewJersey #women
I wanted to add tags such as cards, classical music, fashion, gardening, Regency, theatre, etc. but I don't want to abuse them, because while I am seeking a man who likes these things, my post isn't really about them. Perhaps, a veteran Friendica or Fediverse user could instruct me in this.
Hello. I live in New Jersey and am forty-one years old. I am seeking a man over sixty who is well-dressed, well-spoken, confident, and witty. You can be either straight or bisexual. You should enjoy the finer things in life, but you need not be rich. I have no interest in bdsm, role-playing, etc. I simply adore the voices and bodies of older men. That said, I do love it soft down there and enjoy bedroom fun. I would prefer you to either live in or near New Jersey, or to be able to visit me frequently. No one-night stands, parents or men who want children, caregivers, workaholics, or recreational drug users. I am open to both fun with no strings attached, and a committed relationship, but I must get to know you first.
Some of my interests include studying dandyism, nineteenth-century grammar, Upper Received Pronunciation, British history, and the Regency. I like coffee, tea, wine, nasal snuff, cooking, hot baths, reading British literature, watching nature and historical documentaries, gardening, hot weather, and playing cards and dice. I also love cats. In classical music, I enjoy Baroque through a bit of early Romantic, while in popular, I usually prefer 1950's through 1970's. I love theatre (especially English and Viennese operettas, Edwardian musical comedies), and some Regency/Georgian plays. I prefer antique menswear and accessories (no feminine clothing). It's my dream to either buy a genuine Edwardian suit or have one commissioned. I love wit, wordplay, and dry humour without vulgarity. I am happily childfree, am not religious, and speak my mind. I have been totally blind since I was two months old, due to Retinopathy of Prematurity.
Those who love antique fashions will enjoy this. It is a compilation of links related to Regency and Edwardian mensware. If you have any to add or wish to make any suggestions, please do so.
How Fashionable!
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#antiquemensware #clothing #dapper #Edwardian #fashion #history #Regency #suits
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in reply to Georgiana Brummell • •PersonalNotes
1. Adelina Pattie was complimented by Clara Novello Davies as naturally possessing the traits that she taught. (Pattie claimed this.) So listening to her may help in understanding what Madam Clara was teaching in You Can Sing.
2. Even being new to all of this, I immediately notice messa di voce and portamento, and I cherrish both of them as hallmarks of not only good singing but a great way to stir emotions.
3. With my love of the upper classes, humour, light-hearted stories, romances, fantastical elements, etc. I learned, last night, that I don't really like the subject matter of verismo. Now, it seems, I'm not thrilled with its singing either. But it's still good to know about it as part of my education in opera and high culture. For a more in depth explanation of all of this, here is the Wikipedia portal on opera, which I have yet to read, only having recently discovered it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:O…